Does the phrase "Please Include Salary Requirements" seem a bit avaricious to you? – How to answer the dreaded Salary Question and Salary Negotiation 101

I bet you had to Google avaricious.

Greed!Salary this and salary that.  Looking for jobs demonstrates the ridiculousness of some employers’ low-ball expectations of salary.  Worse than that, when they won’t even consider you unless you tell them your exact number.

Whatever, right? It’s a down economy, businesses can afford to treat people like they’re chattel, which makes it all that much more important to find an ethical business to team with.

When will the not-so-ethical/uninformed employers learn that Millennials don’t care as much about what they earn as long as it’s fair?  We want 1) you know what we can do for you and need to 2) know what you can do for us.  This is the question that I hate the most while looking through job listings.  Asking for salary requirements up front is like looking for your soulmate by asking how much they have in the bank.

While the question of salary is damn important, it sure as hell shouldn’t be discussed until the courtship has begun.  Not only does it encourage dishonesty, it also creates a needless negotiation war with low-ball and high-ball offers being slung back and forth. Worse, if the employee hired after this back-and-forth is even half as concerned about the salary as the business is, that employee will be bailing ship for the first greener pasture they see.

Even so, employers continue to ask.

Here’s how I answer the salary question:

  1. Be Honest

    • If you lie about your previous salaries to your would-be employer, they’ll find out.  Be honest about what you earned and be honest about what you want to earn.  Give good supporting reasons why you are asking for the number you are and be truthful with the company if their expectations are too low.
  2. Do Your Homework

    • If you know that an entry-level marketer makes between $40-55K depending on their specialties, don’t demand $70,000 without a damn good reason.  You can also use that average to know when you’re being squeezed too tightly – $35K is not a fair salary for that job.
  3. Give a Range

    • Give a range of salaries.  You’ll have a lot of wiggle room when it comes to salary negotiation.  Once inside this range, though, don’t attempt to go outside of it unless something HUGE changes during the negotiation.

Salary Negotiation 101

  • Average Salary Google SearchDo the research to find out the salary range of your website.  Do a Google Search!  PayScale.com has great salary info, but find a variety of sources.
  • Ideally, the range you give should span about $10K and not have your goal salary in the middle.
  • The minimum should be the lowest amount you could acceptably take and live on.  This number should be greater than or equal to the low-end of the average salary for the position.
  • The maximum should be within $10-15K of the minimum, but still less than or equal to the high-end of the average salary for the position.
  • Your goal salary is the number that you really want to make. It should be close to your minimum plus $3-4K.  This puts your Goal at the lower end (30-40%) of the range you provided, making it more likely you’ll get your goal salary or more.

Let’s say the job you’re applying for has a salary range of $40-55K.

In this example, citing $42-52K means that you hope to get at least $45K.  Anything above that would be a bonus to you, but still leaves a good 7K to move.

If the company comes back with a counter-offer of less than $42K (known as low-balling), you should laugh or at least ask them if they’re trying to low-ball you.  If the company came back with a counter-offer of $42K, however, and you then asked for $52K (known as high-balling), you’d be out of line.

Remember that it’s okay to negotiate for anything.  More time off, starting with a bank of time off, etc.  Just know that if you take a bonus, more vacation, or anything in lieu of salary, your earning potential ends up smaller.

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    • Christine Chen
      The boomers continually try to terry nickell dime the siutation by squeezing the lemon dry from employees and applicants alike. The baby boomers are work addicts, derive their self worth from jobs (form of a mental disorder) and cannot retire. Hence, why many American companies are not hiring or hiring practices based on in-breeding, cronyism, right last names etc....all the while retaining work addicts (boomers ) who are mostly greedy, money hounds that use/abuse help for their own self-grandisement.
    • Byce
      agreed, the states are filled with imbeciles who are work addicts. mates that care more about the job than family. i am a kiwi, and when the yanks are here on holiday (rarity to even take a holiday), you can totally tell----constipated looking faces, checking emails, regimented schedules, pocket devices/gizmos etc.... cannot relax. how pathetic and sad for their usa families.
    • Byce,

      Thanks for your comment. Both you and Christine are on-target, but
      remember it's not a generational thing.

      In addition, it's important to remember that the -real- unemployment
      figures are crazy high. (Around 25% when you count underemployment and
      other figures.) That's the reason for so many stressed out faces, I think.
      We're all feeling the pinch of unemployment or the fear of it chasing us
      down.

      People come first over money, and we as the American people have
      forgotten what that's like. We'd do well to remember our Brothers Down
      Under. :-)

      -Nick
    • Patti,

      It's not taboo, but you need to make sure it's okay for that conversation. Salary should be discussed as easily as your location or the duties required - I would structure your inquiry a little differently.

      "I'm interested in the position and want to learn more. I want to make sure I come in with the right expectations, as well. I've looked into the average salary for a (Position Title), and the range is between $ and $$$. Is that a fair expectation for this position?"

      The wording I've used refrains from any negative words or comments.

      It's not necessarily wasting time on their part - many employers have stacks and stacks of employees to contact for a follow-up interview after screening the resume. Consider yourself lucky for getting this far. However, some additional screening would be beneficial for both parties, so you're not wrong for being frustrated.

      It's possible that you could confirm some details before going in - for example, call to confirm the time and date of the interview and see if your interviewer would be willing to answer some basic questions (so you have the right expectations).

      Good luck on your interview - make sure to practice using Monday's "Top Interview Questions"!

      -Nick
    • Patti Pearson
      I wish others were as upfront as Shawn and Nick. I truly don't have the time to spend 2 hours drive time, 2 hours portfolio prep time, and be late for my current job jsut to show up for a job that's way below what I need to make.
      Is it totally taboo to ask over the phone when they ask you to come for an interview, "I certainly am interested in the position and qualified and eager to learn more. But because I value your time, and have financial requirements, could you at least give me a salary range?"

      What do you think?
      It's too late for the position I'm going for next week (i did ask if it were a part time or full time and what days they expected...and she said we could discuss everything during an interview)...why do people waste time like this?!
      Thank you,
      Pattti
    • Shawn,

      I've mentioned on Brazen Careerist this same point, but: I like the idea of open negotiations, but I have a big fear of those companies who would abuse that privilege. It's very hard to tell which companies will be honest and upfront with you in negotiations or which ones will use the info to fleece you. In my experience, businesses who are accredited with their local BBB or have wide-open social media/customer service practices are less likely to take improper advantage.

      I would definitely agree that up-front negotiations are MUCH preferred to the alternative. I always give my range up front and am honest about my salary history as well (though I only give the last job I worked).

      Thanks for your comments from the other side! :)

      -Nick Armstrong
    • shawn
      Hi Nick,

      As an employer, I prefer to discuss salary up front. This isn’t a tactic meant to low-ball anyone, I just want to see if we are a match in that area.

      A lot of advice out there regarding salary negotiation says something along the lines of “find out more about the job and then assess the salary you would require.” There is some truth to that, but I find most people already have a fairly good idea of the salary they would need to be happy in their next position (and conversely, what salary would be too low regardless of the level of work being performed).

      Things are similar on the employer side as well. For your average position there typically isn’t some huge hiring range that has been approved. Many times we are forced to use a narrow and rigidly defined range for salary. That rock star candidate who wants $10K more than what has been approved? Probably not happening (again, for your average position).

      The point? Applicants and employers are usually weary of compromising their own salary standards. By discussing salary up front I am trying to proactively prevent headaches from occurring down the line. It saves me time, it saves you time. It is very frustrating when a candidate won’t give you any idea regarding the salary they need (unless they have absolutely no requirements). Help me to help you. Present a candidate to the hiring manager we might not be able to afford? That’s low on my list of things to do. This information, when used properly, has no malicious intent.

      However, there is a difference between asking for salary requirements (which I do, typically over the phone) and a salary history (I do not). The salary history information is way more likely to be used for low-balling purposes. There is a lot of good information here, I just wanted to show the view from the other side (and as a Millennials as well).
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